Plastic Industry

Posted:  28 May 2008 03:33
We are looking for a water treatment process that will keep the rust and scale out of our injection molds molds and plastic molding machines.

Is there a way to get some feedback from the members on what is being used out there?

Mark Stephens
Posted:  06 Jun 2008 15:13
Do you have a water treatment process in place right now?  We use process cooling, and do not have these issues.  We also have a pm program in place that wherby we us a rust preventive spray before and after our production runs.

Our tool room and mold storage room is currently air conditioned, but our manufacturing plant is not. 

Please contact me if you have any questions.




MATTHEW HLAVIN
Posted:  09 Jun 2008 23:55
Hi Mark:

I would recommend you contact manufature such as Conair to see what they recommned to help treat the water for rust and other minerals.   

Chris Hoye
Posted:  10 Jun 2008 15:46
We have a Towerklean system which has been in place since Oct. 97. You might want to look at their website.  There phone number is 248-666-9200.

Dawn Reichlin
Posted:  10 Jun 2008 17:00
Mark,
First of all, I have to assume that this rust and scale is primarily in the water passages and is related to the mold cooling process. However, let's get a few other possibilities out of the way first.

Mold space dehumidification is something to consider of course. Placing or utilizing a mold space enclosure and dehumidifying unit at the press is always a good idea.

Also, if the mold is rusting and scaling during storage you may want to consider a mold storage room/plant dehumification system. Another possibility is a dehumification room where wet molds can be quickly dried after use - before being stored.

But to the most likely problem. Chemical treatment and filtration (straining) is commonly used for this issue. Many people run glycol in their lines to help prevent contamination and corrosion. An in-process filter strainer should always be used as well.

I'm not an expert in any of these areas, but I'm sure someone at Conair can help you through this...please feel free to call me if you like at 724-584-5507 and I can get you in touch with someone who can really help.

Eric Pitchford
Innovation Manager, Conair
Posted:  10 Jun 2008 20:01
The recommended solution to rust prevention is to insure your water is being properly treated.  Bring in a water treatment specialist to help design a system that will work effectively in your plant.  Richardson Molding uses Chem-Aqua(800-527-9921) and our rep is Joseph Shcott at 317-361-0020.  Even with treated water you will need to clean the screens in your heat exchangers periodically.  You may also need to pm your tools which means re-drilling the water lines or removing the plugs and soaking them in rust cleaner.  We also flush our molds weekly during start-up to remove any sediment.  Good luck.

Bill E. Pershing
Posted:  11 Jun 2008 21:54
Mr. Stephens,

Properly treating your water is the first step in your quest for rust/oxidation reduction.  However, I would not recommend the use of glycol in any system where the fluid temperature has the potential of exceeding 200F.  Glycol (i.e. ethylene or propylene) will begin to break down and "varnish" any of the high temperature surfaces - greatly reducing the heat transfer capability of the system.

By working with a local industrial water treatment company they will be able to recommend the best combination of chemical treatment to reduce the oxidation rate.  The idea with chemical treatment is to "soften" the water to reduce the oxidation reduction rate of the fluid.

Combining chemical treatment with mechanical filtration can also help to capture any particles that break off, and can include any device from a strainer, bag filter, centri-separator, or sand filter.

There is also another method that has been coming into favor in recent times.  You could use a full-bodied auto-shut off quick disconnect on the connection points of the mold to retain the fluid inside the mold.  The full-bodied quick disconnect reduces the pressure drop across the connector compared to conventional connectors, and the auto-shut off allows you to remove the mold without losing too much fluid; keeping the air out of the channels and preventing rust build up.

Contact me if you would like to discuss this further.  My email is pklingberg@corpemail.com or my telephone number is 262-641-3809.

Thank you for your post, and have a great day.

Patrick Klingberg
Product Manager
Process Temperature Control
AEC, Inc. 

Patrick Klingberg
Posted:  04 Feb 2009 19:37
Mark,
  First of all I'm going to assume it is in the cooling water passages that you have a problem with. Next let me explain that you have two different issues, first the rust can be controlled with a good rust inhibitor and biocide program ( biocide due to bacteria can play a large part in corrosion by acually eating away the steels as it becomes adheared to the passage side walls) and secondly the scale deposits are caused by minerals in your make up water falling out, usually when they see a large temerature change or lack of flow. This can also be helped by softening your water supply, but be careful not to go to far on the Rysner Scale or it will create an even larger corrosion problem. Chlorine/ Halogens can also also attack metals, as in most city water supplies.
  Look into a good water treatment company that will do monthly on site analysis of your system, treat it and train a representative of your company on how to maintain it between visits. We use Garratt Callahan and are very pleased with their knowledge and the measures they go to to train us on the system.
(732) 287-2300
Ken Hoffman
Maintenance Manager
Tech Molded Plastics

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